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UPDATE: Campaign Briefs – Gingrich Skips Michigan; Romney, Santorum 'Neck and Neck'

Leading Republican primary candidates are spending big money ahead of state primary Tuesday.

 

Patch presents Michigan presidential campaign roundups before the Republican primary Feb. 28.

Romney, Santorum race tight in Michigan, new poll shows

A new NBC News/Marist poll shows Republican presidential candidates Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum locked in a statistical tie.

In Michigan – which has turned into a make-or-break contest for Romney – the former Massachusetts governor gets the support of 37 percent of likely GOP primary voters, including those who are leaning toward a particular candidate, the poll shows. Santorum, a former Pennsylvania senator, has 35 percent support, followed by Texas Rep. Ron Paul at 13 percent and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich at 8 percent.

“Michigan is neck and neck,” said pollster Lee Miringoff, director of the Marist College Institute for Public Opinion.

Gingrich won't campaign in Michigan 

Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich has decided not to campaign in Michigan ahead of Tuesday's primary.

Recent polling shows Gingrich in fourth place in the state.

Gingrich had planned to travel to Michigan at the end of the week, but his spokesman R.C. Hammond announced Monday night that he wouldn't make the trip, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports.

Meanwhile, leading candidates Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum have made several appearances in Michigan in the last week. Romney most recently was in Shelby Township on Tuesday and plans to speak at the Detroit Economic Club on Friday. Santorum spoke to the Economic Club on Thursday.

Candidates advertise early and often

Pick a channel, any channel. If you watch TV, you're seeing lots of spots promoting or attacking Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum. The Republican presidential rivals and two political action committees (PACs) buy lots of local airtime daily.

Huffington Post lists these TV budgets for Michigan ads this month: $3.2 million for Romney and Restore Our Future; $1.1 million for Santorum and Red White and Blue Fund.

"Santorum's presidential campaign and his allied super PAC are putting all their chips into Michigan," according to HuffPo, "in hopes that a win there catapults him to victories later in the primary calendar." The first Michigan ad run by the PAC backing Santorum is embedded at right.

For its part, Team Romney late last week introduced a new Michigan attack ad. It criticizes Santorum, a former Pennsylvania senator, for supporting "billions in earmarks," which provide federal money for local projects. Santorum is shown once telling a talk show host: "I have had a lot of earmarks. In fact, I’m very proud of all the earmarks I’ve put in bills."

An earlier spot from Restore Our Future, also embedded with this article, has the tagline "Rick Santorum: Big Spender, Washington Insider."

In the view of Alexander Burns at Politico.com, the Red White and Blue Fund's "presence in Michigan is going to make it a fairer paid-media fight than Santorum’s had anywhere else. ... Santorum won’t be defenseless on the air as the first wave of negative ads against him register among Michigan Republicans."

Blog encourages mischief

Daily Kos, a 10-year-old public affairs blog, is behaving like a 10-year-old prankster. It invites Michigan readers to "sign up for Operation Hilarity," the site's name for crossover voting by Democrats.

"The longer the GOP primary drags on, the better things look for Democrats," the site says. "We are encouraging Democrats, liberals and progressives to vote for Rick Santorum." Mischief-makers can receive an email reminder to vote Feb. 28.

What polls show

A recent Michigan survey has Feb. 17-19 results from 602 likely voters questioned by Public Policy Polling of Raleigh, NC. It shows 37 percent support for Santorum and 33 percent for Romney. (Ron Paul has 15 percent and New Gingrich trails with 10 percent.)

"Romney's still not convincing anyone that he's a Michigander – only 29 percent of voters consider him to be one, while 62 percent do not," the North Carolina firm says. "But given that he's risen in the polls over the last week without making any progress on that front, it looks like it doesn't really matter whether or not Michigan Republicans consider him to be one of their own."

Based on eight February polls in the state, New York Times analyst Nate Silver on Monday gives Santorum a 72 percent chance of winning in Michigan Feb. 28 – while noting "considerable uncertainty in the forecast."

Voices from the trail

  • "The Snyder endorsement is not the magic excelsior the Romney campaign needs to cure his political ills. ... Mr. Snyder does not attract the very voters who have gone AWOL on Mr. Romney." – Tim Skubick, Lansing public TV talk show host, blogging at MLive.com on Sunday
  • "If Romney doesn't do well (in Michigan), he can't say it's because of the peculiarities of the state. The peculiarities of this state work in his favor." – John Dickerson, CBS News political director, Sunday on Face the Nation
  • "The Michigan primary has the look of a High Noon showdown between the two fastest guns left in the Republican posse." – Mike Connell, retired executive editor in a Port Huron Times Herald front-page column Sunday
  • "If Rick Santorum pulls off (a Michigan) upset, it'll be the biggest victory for the sweater-vest set since Jim Tressel coached Ohio State to eight wins in nine years against Michigan." – Jason Stanford, Democratic consultant, at Politico.com on Saturday
  • "As the first primary in an industrial state, Michigan brings manufacturing and urban issues to the forefront of the presidential campaign. These are usually issues not considered this early in the primary process." – Terri Towner of Rochester, Oakland University political scientist, Patch email interview
  • "What Michigan needs aren't pols relitigating the past, but a credible economic vision for the future that unites a whole lot more people than it alienates." – Daniel Howes, business columnist, The Detroit News
Related Topics: 2012 election, Michigan primary, Mitt Romney, Presidential Campaign, Rick Santorum, and presidential nomination
Do you listen to campaign commercials or click off the sound? Tell us in the comments.

Erin

7:07 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012

Just got home. Voicemail full of political robo-calls. It's going to be a long election year. Sigh.

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Marty Rosalik

9:34 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012

I'm trying to find a way to power some small appliance with robo call power. But by the time I figure that out they will be gone.

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Jeremy Nielson

6:13 pm on Thursday, February 23, 2012

When an analog phone rings, the phone company is sending you 100vdc at about a half amp. If you pickup, the voltage drops to 48vdc. Robocalls only last 30 seconds, but if you can keep a telemarketer talking you could probably recharge some batteries with it...

Les

8:51 am on Monday, February 20, 2012

Why are the Obama ads now all over the TV - in addition to the taxpayer funded election campaign stops that he travels around the nation? Why isn't he using some of that money to repay the national debt?

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Alan Stamm

12:54 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012

A campaign committee, Obama for America, pays for ads from donations and federal matching funds that go to all qualified candidates from the income tax checkoff by taxpayers choosing that option.

A NY Times article last Fri. has this response to criticism of "taxpayer-funded election campaign stops":
"Mr. Obama’s advisers noted that combining campaign stops with official events has long been the case during presidential re-election seasons. 'We do it absolutely by the book and in the same manner that President Bush did and President Clinton did,' [press secretary Jay] Carney told reporters." http://nyti.ms/Av4vQC

Thanks for reading and commenting, Jay.

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Tonto

10:19 pm on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

Should read: Obama for Destroying America - Communism rears its ugly head once again :(

Scott Craig

7:10 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

I am truly disturbed by the Republican candidate's attacks on the rights of women. I know that they are desperately courting the most conservative and fanatical right wing Republicans in order to win. But the attacks suggest that they want to send women back to the same subservient roles that they had in the 1950's and before.

By way of example, Romney has suggested that "States have a right to ban contraception", and has supported ending Title X federal funding of family planning for the poor. Santorum stated that "Birth control has been harmful to society", and suggested that all sexual activity should be for procreation only. Santorum SuperPac supporter, Foster Friess told a stunned female reporter that "Back in my days, they used Bayer aspirins for contraception. The gals put it between their knees and it wasn't that costly". And then their is the big hypocrite, Newt Gingrich, who had the gall to make a speech at a gathering of Republican women on "The Demise of the American Family" two days after telling his second wife that he wanted an open marriage.

I say reject the whole lot. I vote no for all of these men who want to tell women how to live their lives.

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Daryl Patrishkoff

7:37 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

Scott,

What about the other issues? This is a multiple issue race, one that needs a person who can do it all.

I do not agree with your assessment of Republicans on the women issue, but that is my opinion just like you have your own opinion. The spin doctors on both sides have plenty of stories that try to discredit each other.

I would like to look at all of the issues and see who I best align with as a package, not just one issue.

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Herb Helzer

5:27 pm on Thursday, February 23, 2012

Daryl, comment space doesn't really permit a "look at all of the issues," so Scott chose the one that is currently taking up the most airtime and column inches.

Rest assured that he and I and many others see the Republican candidates and President Obama as a "package" across many issues -- foreign and domestic, economic and social -- including their statements, what organizations are doing or saying on that candidate's behalf, and their stated objectives and accomplishments (including those areas where the candidate has fallen short).

By that reckoning, I support and endorse the reelection of President Barack Obama -- warts and all.

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Susie

9:14 am on Sunday, February 26, 2012

Scott,
I am a woman and I do not feel the Republican party wants to take me back 50 years. First when you quote someone such as Romney stating "states have a right to ban contraception" make sure you have it right. You can listen to it from the horses mouth http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Multimedia/2012/January/GOP-debate-contraception.aspx
Futhermore, Romney supports the Hyde amendment which bans the use of federal dollars to be spent on ABORTIONS (kind of a jump from he wants to rip birth control out of the hands of the poor). Abortion is legal, however there are millions of people who are not in favor of paying for women to have abortions when birth control is at their fingertips.
Santorum did say "Birth control has been harmful to society" in a way he is right. Are sexually transmitted diseases higher today than they were 50 years ago? I would have to say yes.
You want to hold Santorm responsible for a comment made by Foster Friess? Did you hold Obama responsible for the sayings of Rev. Wright or Bill Ayers? Oh yeah I forgot he didn't hold the same views as those gentlemen.
It was not "The Demise of the American family" it was "The Demise of American CULTURE". Do you see the difference? I find it hard to believe that this woman waited 11 years to bring her story to light. I don't care for Newt but I would have to question her motives and wonder how much money was involved or if she was just a woman scorned.

cathy lytle

8:04 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

I am a woman and believe this is away to get the attention off of the real issues. By the way, the real issues are the economy and the debt.

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Really

11:33 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

Santorum stands for something. I like that. His speeches are pretty good.
I can understand his positions. A bit old fashioned - but look where we are today.
He is not wishy washy, spineless, and not too much of a liar yet.

Sean Rosekrans

9:26 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

Rick Santorum really? This clown show just keeps on going. The Republicans are making this easy for Obama. How about a real candidate?

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Michelle Dainus

11:49 pm on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

The fact that Santorum is even considered a viable candidate just shows how ridiculous the GOP is. Congratulations on virtually handing the election to Obama.

As far as I am concerned Roe V Wade was won 39 years ago, and it is not going to change. It is ironic that the party that claims to against big government, wants to legislate my right to choose what happens in my uterus. Apparently it is ok to give a fetus rights, and not care about what happens to the baby after it is born, because government assistance for those who are struggling to make it for their children is "socialism".

Let's calm down the rhetoric and stop cavalierly throwing around words like communist, and socialist, when some people clearly do not understand their meanings, or the implications of using these terms. We may not agree on all of the issues, but we can at least be civil, and have rational discussions and debates like adults.

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Jo Nielson

8:31 am on Thursday, February 23, 2012

Both the Left and the Right have people who want to mandate how they live their lives. Some of us resent it when it comes from either party. Taxing people to get them to behave the way they want them to is still social control. What are you doing to stop the Left from trying to exert the same social engineering on society? (I'm really not expecting an answer.....BTW).....

We've got Ron Paul....who do you have on your side calling people out?

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Michelle Dainus

12:26 am on Thursday, March 1, 2012

Radicalism is still radicalism. I never said I was a Democrat, I am a common sense progressive. I believe in helping people help themselves. But thanks for going ahead and making assumptions about me.

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Scot Beaton

3:58 am on Thursday, March 1, 2012

Michelle Dainus,

"As far as I am concerned Roe V Wade was won 39 years ago, and it is not going to change." your quote...

Michelle, I wish I was as sure about that as you are. This country's opinion is continuing to shift from your rights... to the fetus has more rights than you. With the right mix in the courts and the senate, Roe V Wade is history. History repeats its self all the time... America could drink ...then America could not drink... now America can drink again. As odd as this comparison sounds were a nation of flip flopers. Even Ron Paul is now prow-life.

Michelle, my opinion... a fetus does not have a right to be in the womb of any woman, but is there by her permission. This permission may be revoked by the woman at any time, because her womb is part of her body... There is no such thing as the right to live inside the body of another, i.e. there is no right to enslave... a woman is not a breeding pig owned by the state (or church). Even if a fetus were developed to the point of surviving as an independent being outside the pregnant woman's womb, the fetus would still not have the right to be inside the woman's womb.

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Michelle Dainus

2:28 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

Scot,

I am with you, it scares the living crap out of me to think of what will happen if Roe V Wade is overturned. I do the most I can. I write my congressmen and Senators almost on a weekly basis on issues such as this, which is something we should all be doing when we have issues with the government. I do my civic duty and vote, but what kind of a life is living in fear?

It's really sad that almost 40 years later we are still debating these issues. Hopefully this does not go the way of prohibition, if it does it will have detrimental effects on women's health, and I may have to take my Canadian friends seriously when they joke about moving.

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Erin

10:07 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

Michelle + Scot -

Forget about Roe v. Wade. They're debating contraception now, and NOT just for religious organizations. Luckily, the Blunt Amendment was defeated today: http://blunt.senate.gov/​public/_cache/files/​12ca4c96-d98c-4b37-920a-cdb15ed​b24d4/​S.%201813%20Amendment.pdf. Also called the "conscience" amendment It would have allowed ANY employer for ANY reason of "moral conscience" to deny offering coverage of ANY medical treatment or medication to basic coverage. That isn't too broad, is it? ;-)

Adding insult to injury, this is an amendment attached to, and halting progress on, the Highway Bill, holding up jobs and much needed infrastructure. I'm so glad it's been all about Jobs, Jobs, Jobs, right? But good news - Congress' job approval rating went from 10% to 11%. Stellar.

And, the nerd I am, saw some C-SPAN today w/Sebelius (HHS) being grilled by - yes, more panels full of men, about how they don't understand how preventive care and contraception 1) bends the cost curve long term and 2) can decrease maternal and infant mortality. I love bureaucrats, especially when they don't accept women's testimony on women's health issues.

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Marty Rosalik

10:27 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

Erin you said it best. " I love bureaucrats, especially when they don't accept women's testimony on women's health issues"

Isn't that the way it is always done in religious fundamentalist theocracies?

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Erin

8:37 am on Friday, March 2, 2012

But wait, there's still more - Boehner just announced his latest JOBS Bill:

March 1, 2012 "Boehner Vows to Continue Contraception Fight"
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/01/boehner-vows-to-continue-contraception-fight/

Okay, they DO know we all don't have short-term memory loss, right? Otherwise, they might be concerned over the hypocrisy of "taking away our religious freedom".

"Twenty-two states have laws or regulations that resemble, at least in part, the Obama administration's original rule [mandated contraception coverage in basic plans]. More than a third had some Republican support, a review of state records shows.

In six states, including Arkansas [Huckabee signed], those contraceptive mandates were signed by GOP governors.

In Massachusetts in 2006, then-Gov. Mitt Romney signed a healthcare overhaul that kept in place a contraceptive mandate signed by his Republican predecessor. Now the GOP presidential candidate is calling the Obama rule an "assault on religion."

At the federal level, President George W. Bush never challenged a similar federal mandate imposed in 2000." http://articles.latimes.com/2012/feb/15/nation/la-na-gop-contraceptives-20120216

Oh well, probably just hoping voters aren't paying attention and they listen to their one chosen news channel to tell them how to vote.

Scot Beaton

2:37 am on Thursday, February 23, 2012

Alan,

I'm in the the ad business, all four of the remaining Rebublican candidates have serious marketing issues and their ad campaigns aren't helping. We are smarter than 5 graders. And what happened to the 11th commandment thay threw that down the toilet.  

Mitt Romney who cares where he's from... he could have been from Ohio, we have had 8 presidents from Ohio most historians feel the majority of them were pretty lousy. Mitt suffers from being part of that top 1%, money in the Bahamas etc. Just not the kind of guy the middle class wants to vote for. Mitt would have made something besides money he might be an easier sell.

Suggestion for Mitt, reiterate over and over again "I'm a Christian" but I was taught "thou shalt not judge" and leave it a that. Don't cater to the far religious right their not going to vote for Barack Obama anyway, and creat an ad campaign that tells America what manufacturing jobs you have created no one gives a blank about "Staples" no one wants to elect a president who's solution is working at Walmart... or other retail jobs.

Rick Santorum... to be continued...

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Ed Lambert

4:14 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

Michelle, a "common sense progressive" is still a progressive. By definition, gleaned from their political history in this country, their goal is to have the State exercise power to force people to do what progressives want people to do. If Roe v Wade were overturned, the matter of abortion would still be left to the states.

Moreover, and most important--you seem not to know this or to ignore it--conservatives will be quite satisfied if all taxpayer funding is removed from the abortion issue.

By the way, the same people arguing for a woman's "right to choose" are dead set against any defeat of that part of Obamacare REQUIRING employers to pay for birth control and abortion. Are you consistent in arguing the "choice" issue?

Scot Beaton

2:40 am on Thursday, February 23, 2012

Rick Santorum to far to the Christian right, read his book many in America think it's downright scary... don't think woman want to be thrown back into the 13th century. And come on give us a brake sex is only for making babes... please it's takes independents to win the presidency and Rick is never going to get that vote. If I were Barack Obama I'd be thrilled if the "party" pick this guy.

Suggestion for Rick please get out of this "party" and start a new one, your far right agenda is destroying the fabric of this nation and the Republican party.  

Newt Gingrich "the smart one" Newt the one with all the ideas. Wow someone with a brain and ideas unheard of in American politics. That's his downfall ideas scare people we would rather listen to a consensus builder of ideas... "let's form a committee" my favorite line in politics LOL. And wow the attitude of this guy why would America want to elect a strong leader? Some of his ideas a little scary... take America off welfare through education is a great idea. And the moon base could be a good idea too,it gives our young a reason to be scientists in school.

Suggestion Newt needs to stay to "the center" walk away from "my idea" and use words like "our idea". Another "smart one" was Bill Clinton he was a genius at making his ideas other folks ideas. Newt needs to learn a lesson from Bill.

Ron Paul... to be continued...

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Scot Beaton

2:44 am on Thursday, February 23, 2012

Ron Paul "the hippie candidate" been visited by space aliens need I say more... yes Ron wants to leave women rights issues up to the states. Bad idea more red states than blue states if Ron could have his way women rights will be in the ---- in his first four years. 
 
Ron's worse enemy is himself many like Ron Paul as a person but not for president and I can't think of an ad campaign that can solve that issue.

So where does the Republican party go from here they are running out of time for a new list... my guess four more years of Barack Obama? Don't know. I do know there are a lot of Americans out there that like none of the above including the current president so I'm also expecting this year there might be a low voter turn out too.

Alan thanks for the post.

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Scot Beaton

3:06 am on Thursday, February 23, 2012

It's to bad my father's Republican party has fallen of the deep end, it used to be a really great "party." Lincoln freed the slaves to cater to the woman's movement in the north, he promised them the vote too, after he fixed "the southern problem."

The Republican party needs a history lesson this link would be a good start. 
http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfathers.html 

The problem with America is if Republican's keeps saying this over and over again "our nation was founded on Christian beliefs..." trash our founding fathers words... Thomas Jefferson is dead so he can't call them out on this BS... America is going to start to believe Republican's not Jefferson. To bad for Jefferson and to bad for America. Note: if there's is a heaven I sincerely hope Jefferson kicks all four of these Republican's in the balls.

P.S. and readers don't try to throw me under the bus just because I think the majority of Republican candidates are complete idiots (sorry to judge) I'm not jumping up and down to vote for a Democrat either. I personally don't have a political party there is no such thing as the "intelligent party" even Ron Paul has sold out years of woman rights issues and is a Pro-Life Libertarian... even that party has gone to ---- word starts with s.

Oh well, don't want to be a Debbie Downer I'm an eternal optimist America will weather this mess too.

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Scot Beaton

3:29 am on Thursday, February 23, 2012

Alan, I don't have any hidden agenda either just a former president of the Rochester Hills city council, lover of history and politics. But I'm not a fan of blanket statements about our founding fathers. Yes many of them had very strong Christian convictions many of them wanted a "Christian Bible/God" to be written into our declaration of independence and our constitution but the majority of them did not. That's not my opinion that is a historic fact. I do thank others for opinions, but they are just opinions.

Alan, This is a interesting read about Franklin and Jefferson.
http://mikio.hubpages.com/hub/Ben-Franklin-and-Thomas-Jeffersons-Religion-God-is-a-concept

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Scot Beaton

3:38 am on Thursday, February 23, 2012

Thomas Jefferson is righty given much credit for emphasizing the importance of education in a democracy. He believed education for all to be crucial part of the success of the "experiment" undertaken in 1776. He had faith in the "common man" and his ability to elect wise and virtuous leaders if that man were educated to do so. With this caveat in mind, Jefferson wrote the Bill for the More General Diffusion of Knowledge, the Bill for Establishing a Public Library, and the Bill for Establishment of a System of Public Education. Jefferson also made it quite clear that Public School was for both boys and girls.

note: we did not win the Americain revoluation with bigger guns, the British had those... we won because our 13 Colonies could read and write. As a group we... American's were the most literate group individuals on the plant... we out smarted them. 90% in the 13 Colonies, England less than 45% could read or write.

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Scot Beaton

3:48 am on Thursday, February 23, 2012

Alan, answer this question why are there some in the Republican party that support the "dumbing down of America?" Support teaching the Garden of Eden in public school science class? Why are some in the "party" that would support building national science Museums w/public money that show man a the dinosaurs lived on the plant at the same time? Why does this "party" want to throw out the last 400 years of scientific discovery... if we want to compete in a world economy would it not be a lot smarter to elect those who do believe in science. Books that are over 2500 years old should not be the foundation for scientific learning in our public schools.

I said "some" in the Republican party... and yes... this economy should be the top priority, or by 2020 or will be all tradeing in Renminbi's, but what we teach our kids in our public schools in by book is just as important for America's future.

Alan, thanks post... And I thank all opinions for posting "this is a free country".

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Daryl Patrishkoff

6:34 am on Thursday, February 23, 2012

Scot,

You lost me when you say the Republican Party is "dumbing down America", and attached the Garden of Eden as evidence. What are you implying in this? If people believe in the Bible are they dumb? I sure hope not, if you did mean this you should reconsider your words. I am proud to believe in the Bible and the Garden of Eden.

What is intelligence? Is it someone who went to college early in life and learned a few things that were documented in books? These courses are presented by professors who know the books but most of them never applied it in the real world. Just because they can site some past history with dates and pass an exam, does that qualify them as intelligent? I call it the beginning of learning.

How about "story problems"; this is where you take the theory and apply it to a simulated application and answer some fabricated questions. Is this intelligence? I call it the beginning of application.

How about doing something in the real world, applying the book knowledge to improve the situation? Now you have applied the book knowledge and adjusted it to the real life project and documented a positive change. Is this intelligence? I define intelligence as someone who has applied knowledge to a real life situation and had positive results. They made the world better in a unique situation.

I am in my 50's, have a few degrees, so what! Just because I obtained the goal of getting a few degrees many years ago does not make me intelligent.

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Will Curtis

9:04 am on Thursday, February 23, 2012

Dumbing down. How many reading this even know what a renminbi is?

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Tonto

10:05 am on Thursday, February 23, 2012

How about booting a communist out of the White House? Think about the huge lie of the democrats worrying about our health. All while their fearless leader puffs his cigarettes. How about we are now the United Greece States of America. Who cares, just so long as Robin Hood promises everything will be free just so long as rich people don't run out of money to steal from.

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Scot Beaton

2:18 pm on Thursday, February 23, 2012

Dayrl, I'm in the words and pictures business its called advertising, been in the business for over thirty years, been recognized for my creative work five times in the New York CLIO show. To answer you question yes I choose my words carefully. I said "some" Republicans and I am always careful to always say "public schools". 

Daryl, you can choose to believe the world was created by a God in six days, you can choose to believe man and Tyrannosaurs Rex were on the plant at the same time. That's whats great about America. "freedom of speech"

But I choose for public school science class; the world has been around for about 4.2 billion years and man has only been on the plant for about 500,000 years. These are scientific facts, and only scientific facts should be taught in science class in public school, which is funded with our tax dollars.

Daryl, I have spent the last week defending Thomas Jefferson am I'm going to have to spend another week now defending Charles Darwin? Maybe a better choice of words is those who believe creationism trumps darwinism are "scientific illiterate".

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Marty Rosalik

2:29 pm on Thursday, February 23, 2012

Scot, who are we to say that evolution is not the instrument of creation?

Just asking.

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Erin

2:58 pm on Thursday, February 23, 2012

Will - renminbi - official currency of China, or did I mistakenly say something naughty in slang?

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Jerry Grady

2:58 pm on Thursday, February 23, 2012

Scott, why feel the need to defend it. I believe in Creation, but will never defend it to anyone, because you have a right to think your way. When you say you have to defend it, it means you are shoving it down peoples throats. Daryl never said nor stated, it had to be Creation. He just pointed out his views, just like you point out your scientific views. I just for one decide to believe in Creation and you believe in evolution. Never defend your stance, because there are no right or wrong answers on this one.

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Scot Beaton

3:28 pm on Thursday, February 23, 2012

Jerry, thanks of your response, I feel this is a yes or no issue; I do not want the Bible taught as an alternative in public school science class... these are public tax dollars that support these institutions and we need to up hold the US constitution "separation of church and state" what you choose to believe I'm all for "freedom of speech" that's in our constitution too. Again thanks for your comments.

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Daryl Patrishkoff

4:50 pm on Thursday, February 23, 2012

Scot,

I read several times your multiple entries before I wrote my response. I just read them all again to make sure I understood the points. I must say you are taking shots at everyone with plenty of generalizations and assumptions.

On each of the 4 Republican candidates you pointed out negative points. I have not chosen my candidate yet, but I will use Romney as an example of your approach (Bahama money and Staples).

Do you understand how international business works? Business has to have money all around the world to conduct international business. In my operations in Europe, South America and China I had to move money there to conduct business.

Do you understand how the VC world works? A VC takes a distressed company that is about to go under, invests money, creates a business plan, executes the the plan and if they are correct they make money. Staples was a great turnaround story.

Intelligent people do not just read books and pontificate about their view and believe they are smart. Intelligent people take a situation, understand the past, make changes, and have a record of success/failure. They get their fingers dirty working and learn from their mistakes.

You implied if you believe in Creationism and the Garden of Eden you are dumb. You left out the many Democrats that also believe in creationism.

I do not think you are dumb because you do not believe my way.

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Scot Beaton

5:31 pm on Thursday, February 23, 2012

Dayrl, thanks again for your thoughts... what you just wrote to me went over the top of 70% of America's heads... my response to Alan was disclaimerd that I am taking a marketing approach on how I view this primary, most Americans don't have a masters degree in business, and Mitt has huge uphill battle on his hands this primary season and against president Obama, if Mitt can make it through the convention.

The one with the best ad campaign is going to win this presidential election, and the Republicans need better branding, and desperately need new ad campaigns. Right now all their just doing is shooting each other in the foot.

Daryl, also I'm not posting because I'm a democrat either... I have said this may times before... I'm a fiscal conservative, social liberal, I don't have a political party to rally around; I was just giving out friendly, very straight foward advertising advice... it's what I do for a living.

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Ed Lambert

4:24 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

Scot, now tell us why the majority on the left will not even tolerate mention in a science class of the fact that Darwin himself noted that his theory of evolution had weaknesses in it. Also, tell us why the left refuses to permit the very mention of the fact that there are alternative explanations offered for the origin of life and matter.

Yes, there probably are some fundamentalists who take the Garden of Eden story literally. So what? That is no more extreme than an atheist's absolute certainty that God does not exist.

Above all, there remains to be discovered scientific evidence enabling us to trace any current species of life on this planet into the pre-Cambrian era. To suggest that evolution explains it all would NOT be a scientific statement. Science and religion/metaphysics/philosophy/theology do not even deal with the same "content" that science does. Parties on both sides get caught in this trap regularly. Hence, the fighting.

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Scot Beaton

5:03 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

Ed,

"Scot, now tell us why the majority on the left will not even tolerate mention in a science class of the fact that Darwin himself noted that his theory of evolution had weaknesses in it. Also, parties on both sides get caught in this trap regularly. Hence, the fighting." your quote... Ed, nice to here from you. would agree I would hope our public school science teachers are teaching the correct materials. Ed let me try to clarify my opinion. I posted this on the Tom McMillen post.

Darwin died in 1882 and their have been a ton of scientists who have proven most of his "theory's" to be true. But some choose to believe the world was created by a God in six days, and choose to believe man and Tyrannosaurs Rex were on the plant at the same time. That's whats great about America. "freedom of speech"

But I choose for public school science class; the world has been around for  4.2 billion years, and man has only been on the plant for about 500,000 years. These are scientific facts. And only scientific facts should be taught in science class in public school, which is funded with our tax dollars... my opinion if a student asks the question what created the universe they should be told the truth "we still don't know". Then the teacher could encourage the student when he or she grows up to become a scientist and us find out. But to refer to a book that was written over 2500 years ago by humans not a good idea... my opinion.

Erin

11:55 am on Thursday, February 23, 2012

OK - for me, I believe no one running for 2012: belongs to a cult, is a secret "son of Islam", hates women, is a socialist or a communist, or should be compared in any way to Hitler. (but if you're so inclined, there's plenty at Beck "University" or WorldNewsNet)

That said, thoughts on 20th debate last night? Not a blockbuster, but interesting.
The fact-checking the day after is always fun. Here's a decent one http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/02/22/fact-check-candidates-make-errant-claims-on-auto-bailout-taxes/

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Erin

12:05 pm on Thursday, February 23, 2012

Oops, meant to say WorldNetDaily. Always good for a chuckle. Like how the Girl Scouts are a radicalized organization, secretly Communist and sexualizing young girls! Yeah, it's gotten an Indiana lawmaker in a little trouble this week. Again, kind of important to fact check, especially you lawmakers out there. Just sayin'

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Jerry Grady

1:46 pm on Thursday, February 23, 2012

So which newscast should I start watching to get the real facts, FOX, CNN, MSNBC, O, Colbert, O'riely, etc... Just laugh with me, because ain't nothing any of them say is facts. It is their interpretation and more importantly, entertainment value.

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Erin

2:54 pm on Thursday, February 23, 2012

Jerry - I hear you there. And some of it is pretty darn funny!

Every network has its own spin to attract their demo and therefore ad dollars, but in reviewing many networks and sites, I do find little glimmers of mostly truth (after checking out original doc's and interviews whenever possible). Even on Fox which can be a little light on facts. Heck, any network that has to convince you that they're "fair and balanced" by constantly telling you that they are, you have to wonder sometimes. But their local and international is particularly good and pretty much apolitical. And i stay away from the Opinion pages in general everywhere.

Anyway, this is the world we live in - we have to cast a wide net and be discerning about our information sources. Good luck in your discernment.

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Jerry Grady

2:56 pm on Thursday, February 23, 2012

Will, if they don't know now, they will shortly, as we will all be using it. LOL ( for those that don't, the currency for The People's Republic of China.)

Marty Rosalik

2:32 pm on Thursday, February 23, 2012

I know what a renminbi is. Can't pronounce it.

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Scot Beaton

3:02 pm on Thursday, February 23, 2012

Marty, for those who don't know a Renminbi is Chinese paper currency. Welcome to this post... I sincerely like your intelligent comments. Evolution can be a instrument of creation, just how we apply that thought in a public school setting can be an issue of contention.

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Marty Rosalik

3:28 pm on Thursday, February 23, 2012

I don't know for sure one way or another so I posed the question. I have been helping my kid study some pretty advanced science including AP biology, college level chemistry, anatomy, and now physics. The evidence on evolution is much stronger from my perspective.

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